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T O P I C R E V I E Wplacidus_flamingoI would really appreciate some insight, even if it's as simple as "look into x aspecting y; that's important for you." I was just hoping for some advice for a new beginning, as ive been feeling pretty lost lately. Also, I included asteroids bc I was having fun playing with them on astro.com, but no need to include that in a reading. GrahamYou have Aries intercepted in 2nd house; Libra intercepted in 8th house; Taurus on the cusp of both 3rd + 4th houses; Scorpio on the cusp of both 9th and 10th houses and Pluto in the 9th house.So ... an issue (involving Pluto) in the 3rd and 9th houses will adversely affect the 4th and 10th houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from correctly using the positive qualities of Aries and Libra.placidus_flamingo quote:Originally posted by Graham:You have Aries intercepted in 2nd house; Libra intercepted in 8th house; Taurus on the cusp of both 3rd + 4th houses; Scorpio on the cusp of both 9th and 10th houses and Pluto in the 9th house.So ... an issue (involving Pluto) in the 3rd and 9th houses will adversely affect the 4th and 10th houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from correctly using the positive qualities of Aries and Libra.Thank you for that info, Graham. I haven't studied intercepted houses before and am very excited to dive in. So a problem with the 3rd (the mind, communication, early education, peers, siblings, coworkers) and the 9th (philosophy, religion, higher education, foreign travels) will mess with my 4th (emotions, self care, mother, sense of femininity and 10th (career, goals, public image, reputation, relationship with dad?). What would give these a plutonian flavor? An issue to do with death? Also, which positive aspects are you referring to? To me aries is all about constructive anger and action. ego and the physical body. Libra is all about harmony, balance, and beauty. But I might be getting this all wrong. Graham quote:Originally posted by placidus_flamingo: Thank you for that info, Graham. I haven't studied intercepted houses before and am very excited to dive in. So a problem with the 3rd (the mind, communication, early education, peers, siblings, coworkers) and the 9th (philosophy, religion, higher education, foreign travels) will mess with my 4th (emotions, self care, mother, sense of femininity and 10th (career, goals, public image, reputation, relationship with dad?). What would give these a plutonian flavor? An issue to do with death? Also, which positive aspects are you referring to? To me aries is all about constructive anger and action. ego and the physical body. Libra is all about harmony, balance, and beauty. But I might be getting this all wrong. In this lifetime, the issue will be rooted in the conditioning which you received from (much loved and respected) adults during your childhood and adolescence. ... However, it's roots actually lie in the conditioning created by events in a past life (or more than one past lives).It will now have become a view/belief which is part of your (4th house) psychological make-up - that you have never questioned (or seen any need to question) because it is "so obviously right". ... In reality though, it is based upon Piscean Age teachings (provide for others) - and needs to be modified to reflect Aquarian Age teachings (enable others to provide for themselves).So ... what do you think might be the view/value that was instilled in you as a child/adolescent (and exemplified by a much-loved/respected adult, who is/was a poster-child for that view/value)?Graham quote:Also, which positive aspects are you referring to? To me aries is all about constructive anger and action. ego and the physical body. Libra is all about harmony, balance, and beauty.Think of Aries-Libra as being the axis-of-assertiveness ... with Aries = aggression, Libra = acquiescence and the centre/balance-point = assertiveness.___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ quote:What would give these a plutonian flavour?In a cold reading (i.e.. knowing nothing about you/your life at all) ... my guess would be that Pluto = use/abuse of power.So ... might you have been raised to believe that "we should never impose our views upon others"? ... And might that view/value/belief now be preventing you from asserting yourself correctly in the 4th/10th houses?*[ * If so, that will affect the most visible/elevated planet in your chart (anaretic Scorpio Moon in 10th; on MC; natural ruler of 4th and natal ruler of 6th). ... Hence, it could have a significant impact upon your status/career/reputation in the outside world - because assertiveness is the key to handling staff effectively.] MoonMysticHappy birthday placidus_flamingo! 🎉🎂🎉 May you have a wonderful personal New year.GalacticCoreExplosion Joyous Solar Return. mirage29 placidus_flamingo quote:Originally posted by Graham: In a cold reading (i.e.. knowing nothing about you/your life at all) ... my guess would be that Pluto = use/abuse of power.So ... might you have been raised to believe that "we should never impose our views upon others"? ... And might that view/value/belief now be preventing you from asserting yourself correctly in the 4th/10th houses?*[ * If so, that will affect the most visible/elevated planet in your chart (anaretic Scorpio Moon in 10th; on MC; natural ruler of 4th and natal ruler of 6th). ... Hence, it could have a significant impact upon your status/career/reputation in the outside world - because assertiveness is the key to handling staff [b]effectively.] [/B]Ahhh got it. That makes sense. And I thought everyone thought that way--- that their beliefs shouldn't be imposed on others, but I guess that's me making an assumption. I'm not sure this is correct, but your comments made me think of my mom. She was more successful than my dad (more money, fancier title) and is very much a libra--- she would spend hours doing her hair before presentations bc she thought curly hair wouldn't be taken very seriously. She was always the first one in, the last to leave, the first one to hand in her work, and giving credit to her superiors. She was convinced that was how it had to be bc of who she was (a middle eastern woman in a white male dominated industry). I sort of tried to follow in her footsteps, but couldn't bring myself to care about some of the stuff she cared about. And that kind of agreeable-ness can only last for so long, you know? It also doesn't prepare you to assert yourself or have a tense conversation. I'd break down in those scenarios because I didn't know how to be anything less than agreeable without getting very upset. RandallHappy Solar Return! Graham quote:Originally posted by placidus_flamingo: Ahhh got it. That makes sense. And I thought everyone thought that way--- that their beliefs shouldn't be imposed on others, but I guess that's me making an assumption. I'm not sure this is correct, but your comments made me think of my mom. She was more successful than my dad (more money, fancier title) and is very much a libra--- she would spend hours doing her hair before presentations bc she thought curly hair wouldn't be taken very seriously. She was always the first one in, the last to leave, the first one to hand in her work, and giving credit to her superiors. She was convinced that was how it had to be bc of who she was (a middle eastern woman in a white male dominated industry). I sort of tried to follow in her footsteps, but couldn't bring myself to care about some of the stuff she cared about. And that kind of agreeable-ness can only last for so long, you know? It also doesn't prepare you to assert yourself or have a tense conversation. I'd break down in those scenarios because I didn't know how to be anything less than agreeable without getting very upset. Your Moon/Mother is indeed very visible in your natal chart.But, can you see how "agreeableness"/acquiescence and aggressiveness differ from assertiveness; why assertiveness is required to manage people effectively and how being assertive can be easily confused with imposing our own views upon others?placidus_flamingoYes, definitely. I'm noticing it more as I think about it and interact with people. Thank youRandallBump!
So ... an issue (involving Pluto) in the 3rd and 9th houses will adversely affect the 4th and 10th houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from correctly using the positive qualities of Aries and Libra.
quote:Originally posted by Graham:You have Aries intercepted in 2nd house; Libra intercepted in 8th house; Taurus on the cusp of both 3rd + 4th houses; Scorpio on the cusp of both 9th and 10th houses and Pluto in the 9th house.So ... an issue (involving Pluto) in the 3rd and 9th houses will adversely affect the 4th and 10th houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from correctly using the positive qualities of Aries and Libra.
Thank you for that info, Graham. I haven't studied intercepted houses before and am very excited to dive in.
So a problem with the 3rd (the mind, communication, early education, peers, siblings, coworkers) and the 9th (philosophy, religion, higher education, foreign travels) will mess with my 4th (emotions, self care, mother, sense of femininity and 10th (career, goals, public image, reputation, relationship with dad?). What would give these a plutonian flavor? An issue to do with death?
Also, which positive aspects are you referring to? To me aries is all about constructive anger and action. ego and the physical body. Libra is all about harmony, balance, and beauty. But I might be getting this all wrong.
quote:Originally posted by placidus_flamingo: Thank you for that info, Graham. I haven't studied intercepted houses before and am very excited to dive in. So a problem with the 3rd (the mind, communication, early education, peers, siblings, coworkers) and the 9th (philosophy, religion, higher education, foreign travels) will mess with my 4th (emotions, self care, mother, sense of femininity and 10th (career, goals, public image, reputation, relationship with dad?). What would give these a plutonian flavor? An issue to do with death? Also, which positive aspects are you referring to? To me aries is all about constructive anger and action. ego and the physical body. Libra is all about harmony, balance, and beauty. But I might be getting this all wrong.
In this lifetime, the issue will be rooted in the conditioning which you received from (much loved and respected) adults during your childhood and adolescence. ... However, it's roots actually lie in the conditioning created by events in a past life (or more than one past lives).
It will now have become a view/belief which is part of your (4th house) psychological make-up - that you have never questioned (or seen any need to question) because it is "so obviously right". ... In reality though, it is based upon Piscean Age teachings (provide for others) - and needs to be modified to reflect Aquarian Age teachings (enable others to provide for themselves).
So ... what do you think might be the view/value that was instilled in you as a child/adolescent (and exemplified by a much-loved/respected adult, who is/was a poster-child for that view/value)?
quote:Also, which positive aspects are you referring to? To me aries is all about constructive anger and action. ego and the physical body. Libra is all about harmony, balance, and beauty.
Think of Aries-Libra as being the axis-of-assertiveness ... with Aries = aggression, Libra = acquiescence and the centre/balance-point = assertiveness.___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
quote:What would give these a plutonian flavour?
In a cold reading (i.e.. knowing nothing about you/your life at all) ... my guess would be that Pluto = use/abuse of power.
So ... might you have been raised to believe that "we should never impose our views upon others"? ... And might that view/value/belief now be preventing you from asserting yourself correctly in the 4th/10th houses?*
[ * If so, that will affect the most visible/elevated planet in your chart (anaretic Scorpio Moon in 10th; on MC; natural ruler of 4th and natal ruler of 6th). ... Hence, it could have a significant impact upon your status/career/reputation in the outside world - because assertiveness is the key to handling staff effectively.]
quote:Originally posted by Graham: In a cold reading (i.e.. knowing nothing about you/your life at all) ... my guess would be that Pluto = use/abuse of power.So ... might you have been raised to believe that "we should never impose our views upon others"? ... And might that view/value/belief now be preventing you from asserting yourself correctly in the 4th/10th houses?*[ * If so, that will affect the most visible/elevated planet in your chart (anaretic Scorpio Moon in 10th; on MC; natural ruler of 4th and natal ruler of 6th). ... Hence, it could have a significant impact upon your status/career/reputation in the outside world - because assertiveness is the key to handling staff [b]effectively.] [/B]
[ * If so, that will affect the most visible/elevated planet in your chart (anaretic Scorpio Moon in 10th; on MC; natural ruler of 4th and natal ruler of 6th). ... Hence, it could have a significant impact upon your status/career/reputation in the outside world - because assertiveness is the key to handling staff [b]effectively.] [/B]
Ahhh got it. That makes sense. And I thought everyone thought that way--- that their beliefs shouldn't be imposed on others, but I guess that's me making an assumption.
I'm not sure this is correct, but your comments made me think of my mom. She was more successful than my dad (more money, fancier title) and is very much a libra--- she would spend hours doing her hair before presentations bc she thought curly hair wouldn't be taken very seriously. She was always the first one in, the last to leave, the first one to hand in her work, and giving credit to her superiors. She was convinced that was how it had to be bc of who she was (a middle eastern woman in a white male dominated industry). I sort of tried to follow in her footsteps, but couldn't bring myself to care about some of the stuff she cared about. And that kind of agreeable-ness can only last for so long, you know? It also doesn't prepare you to assert yourself or have a tense conversation. I'd break down in those scenarios because I didn't know how to be anything less than agreeable without getting very upset.
quote:Originally posted by placidus_flamingo: Ahhh got it. That makes sense. And I thought everyone thought that way--- that their beliefs shouldn't be imposed on others, but I guess that's me making an assumption. I'm not sure this is correct, but your comments made me think of my mom. She was more successful than my dad (more money, fancier title) and is very much a libra--- she would spend hours doing her hair before presentations bc she thought curly hair wouldn't be taken very seriously. She was always the first one in, the last to leave, the first one to hand in her work, and giving credit to her superiors. She was convinced that was how it had to be bc of who she was (a middle eastern woman in a white male dominated industry). I sort of tried to follow in her footsteps, but couldn't bring myself to care about some of the stuff she cared about. And that kind of agreeable-ness can only last for so long, you know? It also doesn't prepare you to assert yourself or have a tense conversation. I'd break down in those scenarios because I didn't know how to be anything less than agreeable without getting very upset.
Your Moon/Mother is indeed very visible in your natal chart.
But, can you see how "agreeableness"/acquiescence and aggressiveness differ from assertiveness; why assertiveness is required to manage people effectively and how being assertive can be easily confused with imposing our own views upon others?
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